how keeps selenocosima sp.

[ornithoctonus]

Hi every one I am very curious to see if many of you keep selenocosima sp. especially ones from New Guinea and indonesia. I have a few I've got 3 selenocosima dichromata and 1 selenocosima peerboomi and did have 1 selenocosima arnsti but that has passed away sadly. Any way I think these are a very interesting species and I think there isnt a noth about these spiders especially ones from out of Australia like New Guinea and so on. So if any one has photos of the ones they keep and any imfo you would like to swop on here that would be grate and I will post some pics next week still trying to get the hang of the post pics thing thanks james.

[Graeme Wright]

Re: how keeps selenocosima sp.

Hi every one I am very curious to see if many of you keep selenocosima sp. especially ones from New Guinea and indonesia. I have a few I've got 3 selenocosima dichromata and 1 selenocosima peerboomi and did have 1 selenocosima arnsti but that has passed away sadly. Any way I think these are a very interesting species and I think there isnt a noth about these spiders especially ones from out of Australia like New Guinea and so on. So if any one has photos of the ones they keep and any imfo you would like to swop on here that would be grate and I will post some pics next week still trying to get the hang of the post pics thing thanks james.

I only keep selenocosima dichromata and i think there is a ?over these as I think tehre something eles that is being sold as selenocosima dichromata

[ornithoctonus]

Hi

Hi G.wright what do you mean. Do you mean you think that all the S.dichromata that are beeing sold are not S.dichromata at all. I've read some were that they might in fact belong to phlogiellus family but dont now if thats true or not. If you dont want to get in to it on here for any reson give me a e.mail thanks james. :P

[Steve_Nunn]

Hi,
I would think S.dichromata should belong in the Orphnaecus as it shares more significant characters with that group then the Phlogiellus. Definately should not be in the Selenocosmia though. In fact, the only true Selenocosmia are those found around the Javan/Malay area. You can easily separate them from the others in the group with a character combination of intercheliceral pegs/spines, bilobular spermethecae and rounded patch of thickened seta in the lyra which are not as bacillate in form as those in either the Malay Coremiocnemis, or other more eastern populations currently and incorrectly still in the Selenocosmia (which are in fact part of the Australian "Phlogiellus/Phlogius" clade).

Cheers,
Steve

[ornithoctonus]

hI

Hi steven thanks for your reply but dont you think S.arndsti is a selenocosima sp. I heard some were that all true selenocosima sp. when young have that tell tail faint line going down there back wich S.arndsti has but I'm not sure how true this is any way thanks and I'll have to aggre on what you sead about S.dichromata it dose sound right thanks james I'm glad to see there are a few of use out there who actully like Seleocosima sp. and other Selenocosmiinae ground dwellers thanks. :P

[Oderus]

Re: hI

Hi steven thanks for your reply but dont you think S.arndsti is a selenocosima sp. I heard some were that all true selenocosima sp. when young have that tell tail faint line going down there back wich S.arndsti has but I'm not sure how true this is any way

Hi James.

S/C.arndsti are one of my fav T's and baring P.subfusca have to be one of the best looking Selenocosmiinae , as for being a true Selenocosima.sp as defined by S.javanensis there not very close at all for many of the reasons Steve has listed, what will happen with them in the future is not for us to know just yet (if indeed anyone has got round to them just yet) but it's a safe bet they will change in time.

In fact, the only true Selenocosmia are those found around the Javan/Malay area. You can easily separate them from the others in the group with a character combination of intercheliceral pegs/spines, bilobular spermethecae and rounded patch of thickened seta in the lyra which are not as bacillate in form as those in either the Malay Coremiocnemis

Steve it's like the old saying they have always said around these parts (well since a few minutes ago).

If short rod's you see Selenocosmia it be' but if the bottom row be butter knifes then Coremiocnemis it be.

That's pants.

[Volker von Wirth]

Hi,
I would think S.dichromata should belong in the Orphnaecus ...

Cheers,
Steve

Hi Steve,

you really "would think" or do you "know" - maybe from a well known specialist of this group?
I would prefer not to see that informations in the public of an internetforum, because - as we can see from his last publications - my "special friend" has eyes everywhere, and my revision work concerning that group, together with Boris Striffler, shouldn't be without success!!!

Cheers, Volker

[Steve_Nunn]

Hi Volker,
Nobody ever told me what genus this spider belongs too (you underestimate me Volker ), so I'm not quoting any other specialist, however I had in my possession some time ago the original SIMON works too, which when compared to the specimen in question places no doubt on generic placement IMO.

I will not comment further other then to say (I did not know you and Borris were working on this issue) what I have said could be found by anyone else who could chase down the works invovled, even from those a determination can be assumed....

Cheers,
Steve