ASAP: Super glue or vaseline?

[Marko Sajovic]

I would appreciate some quick answers here.
I know not many here have experiences with ruptured abdomens, but I would need advice on what is best to use.
I know chances of survival are not too good, but I need to do something.
My P.ornata has a rupture on her underside of abdomen that is not very big (actualy just a little hole), but hemolymph keep oozing out.
So, what is better to use: super glue or vaseline?
Thanks

[Elaine Ross]

If you have liquid bandaid use some but if not I would give the vaseline a try. If its on the underside of the abdomen, be careful to avoid the booklungs.

Good luck
Elaine

[Chris Wheeler (Gigus)]

I would use the super glue as it will seal the wound and dry mush faster

[Colin D Wilson]

Superglue for emergencies, it's what it was designed for !!!

[Neil Ashby]

Marko

did she survive mate ?

[Marko Sajovic]

I used a third option yesterday - fine flour. I cleaned the wound with q-tip and put some flour on top. Since it is only a small wound I thought it could work. And it actually looks better this morning. But if I'll see any leaking again I'll use super glue. But I must say, if I have to go through this, I'd rather have some Brachypelma to deal with and not one big pokie.
Anyway I'd realy like to keep this spider alive. Don't wanna lose 2 at once.
The story about what have happened: After some maintanance I did not close terarium doors properly and P.ornata managed to squeeze into H.maculata's tank. The scene I saw was terrible - ornata eating maculata. It was too late for maculata, now I need to take care for ornata's wound.
Stupid me....

[Colin D Wilson]

Goods news about it looking better.....
unfortunately these things happen, it's just bad luck...i think everyones got a scenario like this they want to put behind them.

keep us all informed, hopefully it'll make a full recovery

[Robert Farmer]

Goods news about it looking better.....
unfortunately these things happen, it's just bad luck...i think everyones got a scenario like this they want to put behind them.

keep us all informed, hopefully it'll make a full recovery

My friend's C Gracile escaped into his B Vagans enclosure about a month or so ago and the Vagans emerged triumphant, never would've seen that one coming...

Glad to hear the pokie's doing well...

[Colin D Wilson]

My friend's C Gracile escaped into his B Vagans enclosure

That's a big shame, Never seen a C. gracile in the flesh as it were, in fact can't think of anyone i know who has one.

[Peter Kirk]

Sorry I missed this earlier - but to add my bit; I have always used talcum powder to "clot" a bleed.

Superglue is great to join two things together, but there are risks when using it to plug a little hole like the one described. All it takes is for the spider to rest against the glass or some terrarium "furniture" and you have one stuck spider on your hands (well, on the glass to be exact) especially if the wound is on the underside. Try scraping THAT off!!

[Colin D Wilson]

I personally would advise against Talc as there are chemicals used in the manufacture that could give an adverse reaction to contact with the product.
I have a lady friend who works as QC in a cosmetic manufacturing company (who also keeps T's as a matter of interest). she states that numerous chemicals are used to achieve the correct weight colour etc etc.
The cheaper imported brands sometimes contain amounts (up to 50%) of ground soap powder (not soapstone...powder), china clay (a cheap filler to stretch the product, this is often bleached in a simple process where the bleaching agent is still active, thus some peoples adverse reactions to the cheaper product), ground minerals and soft "rocks" (to add weight...again bleached).
These are but a few items that she has to "test" for in her QC role and there must be a certain amount of truth concerning dubious chemcal constituents as she says some medical advisory councils are advising women against using talc regularly (in sensitive areas) as the use of the product is associated with the risk of ovarian cancer increasing three to four times.
I'm not sure if any of these (or other) chemicals / ingredients would pose a problem in this situation, and i'm sure there's thousands of people who have used talc with no adverse reaction, but.. in my opinion after being told this....better safe....if in doubt....etc etc.

As far as the superglueing your T to the glass, i can see what you're getting at Pete, but common sense should prevail in this matter and the T returned to the tank "dry" after waiting the few seconds it takes.
Saying this, i'm afraid i know a few people that it wouldn't cross their mind to wait to put it back before drying off completely.

[Marko Sajovic]

Well, I think critical days are over, and my T is alive. The only thing I used was fine flour. It was only fine thing I had at the moment. Today when I checked the wound It looked completely dry, no oozing. There a little bulk on the wound - I guess thats a mixture of dry hemolymph and flour.
I hope it's over.
Tough experience. Fatal for one spider, almost for the other, and very educational for me.

[Colin D Wilson]

Good news Marko, flour's not a thing i would have thought of, i can tell you.
I think the phrase "improvise, overcome and adapt" works well here eh?

[Marko Sajovic]

Today I moved my ornata from ICU to her tank. Though the injury is obvious it is dry and she looks ok. We'll see how it will go on.