i'm confused!!!

[matthew spooner]

hi guys, i need a little help. earlier in the year i purchased a very beautiful tarantula from lee at thespidershop, i was told it was a b.ruhnaui. i was told it was quite rare to find in the uk as it was an adult female specimen. i looked for others on the internet and didnt have much luck, i now find that other places are advertising them as b.albiceps. what is the true scientific name for this bloody thing, i want to start breeding her but i dont know what species of male i am looking for lol

[Peter Lacey]

I believe these were reclassified but hopefully a more experienced user can confirm.

[matthew spooner]

thanks peter, do you know which one of the two they have been re classified as?

[Peter Lacey]

mmm! I'm going to have to go by memory here (fading as the years go by) but I seem to remember it was from b. ruhnaui to b.albiceps however I think there was also talk of it being reclassified into the Aphonoplema genus. Check Rick West's site, I might be wrong, probably am but from what I remember there is some confusion over this species.

[matthew spooner]

thanks peter. they probably aint hard to come by at all, it just averyone that got one call it summet different lol

[Peter Roach]

According to the world spider catalogue the correct name is B ruhnui

http://research.amnh.org/entomology/spiders/catalog/INTRO1.html

In synonymy:
B. ruhnaui (Schmidt, 1997) = B. albiceps Pocock, 1903 (Locht et al., 2005: 10.
mf albiceps Pocock, 1903....................Mexico [urn:lsid:amnh.org:spidersp:001696]
Eurypelma pallidum F. O. P.-Cambridge, 1897a: 21, pl. 1, f. 17 (f, misidentified).
B. a. Pocock, 1903b: 103 (Df).
Aphonopelma a. Smith, 1995: 70, f. 76-82 (removed f from S of A. pallidum).
Brachypelmides ruhnaui Schmidt, 1997d: 205, f. 1-4 (Dmf).
Brachypelmides ruhnaui Schmidt, 1997g, 1998h: 19, f. 199-201 (mf).
Brachypelmides ruhnaui Locht, Yáñez & Vázquez, 1999: 196, f. 3 (m).
Aphonopelma a. Peters, 2000a: 23, f. 43 (f).
Brachypelmides ruhnaui Peters, 2000a: 76, f. 250-252 (mf).
Aphonopelma a. Peters, 2003: 32, f. 107 (f).
Brachypelmides ruhnaui Peters, 2003: 133, f. 542, 545-547 (mf).
Brachypelmides a. Schmidt, 2004f: 4, f. 1 (T to synonymized generic name).
B. a. Locht et al., 2005: 108 (Tf from Aphonopelma, Sm).
naui

[Chris Sainsbury]

According to the world spider catalogue the correct name is B ruhnui

http://research.amnh.org/entomology/...og/INTRO1.html

Hi
You have miss read I think. as it stands the correct name is B. albiceps

see the first line of what you quoted:-

In synonymy:
B. ruhnaui (Schmidt, 1997) = B. albiceps Pocock, 1903 (Locht et al., 2005: 10.

[Peter Roach]

Yep definately did

I always thought it was the last line and the last date which was the correct name.
Looks like I'm gonna have to swot up on basic taxinomimmy

[Chris Sainsbury]

Ahh but you are not entirely wrong. If you notice the last line:-

B. a. Locht et al., 2005: 108 (Tf from Aphonopelma, Sm).
naui

and the first:-

B. ruhnaui (Schmidt, 1997) = B. albiceps Pocock, 1903 (Locht et al., 2005: 10.


they are both the same paper. As in this paper A. albiceps was transfered to Brachypelma and B. ruhnaui was found to be in synonymy with the now called B. albiceps.

At least this is how I understand it. Lucky for me I don't worry about such things as in a hundred years time it will all most likey be different yet again .

[Peter Roach]

Mmmmmm.......Thanks .....I think

Its all foreign to me, looks like a 3yr old trying to work a keyboard

I'll admit defeat and bow to your superior knowledge in all things foreign

[Louise~Nichols]

hi guys, i need a little help. earlier in the year i purchased a very beautiful tarantula from lee at thespidershop, i was told it was a b.ruhnaui. i was told it was quite rare to find in the uk as it was an adult female specimen. i looked for others on the internet and didnt have much luck, i now find that other places are advertising them as b.albiceps. what is the true scientific name for this bloody thing, i want to start breeding her but i dont know what species of male i am looking for lol

I've seen these around on a few sites, Matthew. As is always the way with *rare* spiders once there has been a couple of successful captive breedings, the situation goes from: *oh you don't see these about often* to: *ooohhh looky here, it just be raining Albiceps*!! lol
Giggles aside, I'm sure if you don't find some online in the near future, then there's a good chance some will turn up at a show at some point.

[Nicola Dolby]

I think I'm starting to get the hang of this taxonomy thing. I can see how P. vitatta was changed to P. striata but can someone please explain P. uniformis? Many thanks.

[matthew spooner]

thanks to everyone for the help on this one. i think i am pretty safe if i get a mm b.albiceps or b.ruhnaui, they seem to be exactly the same thing.

[Chris Sainsbury]

I think I'm starting to get the hang of this taxonomy thing. I can see how P. vitatta was changed to P. striata but can someone please explain P. uniformis? Many thanks.

Hi

Nothing to explain as, as it stands at this time of writeing it still a valid species (going by the WSC) :-

uniformis Strand, 1913....................Sri Lanka [urn:lsid:amnh.org:spidersp:002361]
P. u. Strand, 1913d: 115 (Dm).

If this is set to change then a paper explaining the reasons will be submitted to where ever it needs to be submitted, and if excepted it will be changed. Even if it is known now that the said species is the same as another species of Poecilotheria, untill a paper is done and it becomes official it will still remain as a valid species as far as I know. I'm sure the clever people can comment on this further though.
Cheers
Chris

[Nicola Dolby]

Thanks Chris