Genus Iridopelma there can be only one???

[Scott Blevens]

So Im new to the BTS boards but not to boards in general Ive been a mbr of the Aracnoboards for a few years and post there often under the name gumby. I decided to cross over because I have been looking for more info on Genus Iridopelma. It seemed to me as I read through several American forums that the BTS would be the best place to gain info on these beautiful Ts as Iridopelma sp.recife or at least the name seems to have originaled from a keeper from Germany.

Ok so just to start things off i'm getting some new Ts next week I ordered several. Some were Iridopelma I noticed that there are Iridoplema hirsutum and Iridopelma sp.recife. They are the same T. as far as I can tell but just in case thought i'd do some more research. I looked back to nov 2002 on the Arachnoboards and the best info I saw was from Michael Jacobi in 2004 saying that he believed them to be the same T. I just thought Id check and see if any one had any other info or am I right in believing they are the same but may just be found in different geographical sites?
Thank you
Scott

[Mark Pennell]

HI Scott
Welcome to the forum, have you seen this thread

http://www.thebts.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4820

Cheers
Mark

[Scott Blevens]

So I did see that thread when I was searching through the BTS archive but I do not understand any of what is being said on it. Some parts are to technical for me and other parts are in languages I dont know. Was one or the other reclassified as Iridopelma seladonium? If so was it Revista Brasileira de Zoologia that did the reclassification? Also was it Iridopelma sp.recife or both that were reclasified.

[Mark Pennell]

So I did see that thread when I was searching through the BTS archive but I do not understand any of what is being said on it. Some parts are to technical for me and other parts are in languages I dont know. Was one or the other reclassified as Iridopelma seladonium? If so was it Revista Brasileira de Zoologia that did the reclassification? Also was it Iridopelma sp.recife or both that were reclasified.

Scott
Not sure have not read it. Here is the link to see it.

http://www.scielo.br/pdf/rbzool/v25n4/19.pdf

Cheers
Mark

[Scott Blevens]

So I tried the link last night and it didnt work. I tried it from work for the last hour and its still not poping for me. I cut the address down to just the http://www.scielo.br and did a search on the name Iridopelma and seladonium and could not find a thing.

[Tomasz Drożdżal]

Have you tried right-clicking the url and "save as.." to download it?

[Mark Pennell]

So I tried the link last night and it didnt work. I tried it from work for the last hour and its still not poping for me. I cut the address down to just the http://www.scielo.br and did a search on the name Iridopelma and seladonium and could not find a thing.

Use this and then click on vol 25 number 4

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_issues&pid=0101-8175&lng=pt&nrm=iso

all will be fine.

Cheers
Mark

[Scott Blevens]

So Im really sorry if I seem like a pain but I cant make heads or tails of what they are saying on those pages. I was able to have a friend who knows Portuguese very well read what it was saying but I think I still might need a degree in taxidermy to break the code. So do you know what is saying?
Thank you
Scott

[Mike ''troll'' Dame]

So I tried the link last night and it didnt work. I tried it from work for the last hour and its still not poping for me. I cut the address down to just the http://www.scielo.br and did a search on the name Iridopelma and seladonium and could not find a thing.

maybe this link will work it should be in english

[Scott Blevens]

Thanks Mike that made all the difference in the world. This part was the most useful:

In South America, the family is represented by three subfamilies: Aviculariinae, Ischnocolinae and Theraphosinae. Theraphosinae and Ischnocolinae are the largest, comprising 52 genera. Aviculariinae includes only five genera: Avicularia Lamarck, 1818, Ephebopus Simon, 1892, Iridopelma Pocock, 1901, Pachistopelma Pocock, 1901 and Tapinauchenius Ausserer, 1871.
Iridopelma includes, to date, only three species: I. hirsutum (Pocock, 1901); I. seladonium (C.L. Koch, 1841) and I. zorodes (Mello-Leitão, 1926) (PLATNICK 200. All species are known to be essentially arboreal and can be found in Atlantic forests of north and northeastern Brazil (STRIFFLER 2004: 11).


Which means that Iridopelma sp.recife is most likely I. hirsutum or an unclassified T.


P.S. Mike are you the one that took all the pics for Kens calenders? I have one one my desk at work they rock.

[Mark Pennell]

Scott
Not sure why the links I posted never worked for you, they work fine here. Anyway the main thing is you got them in the end.

Hopefully they will help you in your quest.

Regards
Mark

[Scott Blevens]

Hey thank you for every ones help. I think for now I'm going to keep the Ts i'm getting (1 Iridopelma sp.recife,3 Iridopelma hirsutum) labeled separately because there are only 3 Iridopelma listed but nothing has been documented about Iridopelma sp.recife being the same or different as any of the others. I also notice that on these boards people offer Iridopelma sp.recife and Iridopelma hirsutum as seperate MM.

[Mike ''troll'' Dame]

no problem thanks for breaking it down for me id been wondering about the "recife" myself.

glad you like em yes the calendars were done by me

Thanks Mike that made all the difference in the world. This part was the most useful:

In South America, the family is represented by three subfamilies: Aviculariinae, Ischnocolinae and Theraphosinae. Theraphosinae and Ischnocolinae are the largest, comprising 52 genera. Aviculariinae includes only five genera: Avicularia Lamarck, 1818, Ephebopus Simon, 1892, Iridopelma Pocock, 1901, Pachistopelma Pocock, 1901 and Tapinauchenius Ausserer, 1871.
Iridopelma includes, to date, only three species: I. hirsutum (Pocock, 1901); I. seladonium (C.L. Koch, 1841) and I. zorodes (Mello-Leitão, 1926) (PLATNICK 200. All species are known to be essentially arboreal and can be found in Atlantic forests of north and northeastern Brazil (STRIFFLER 2004: 11).


Which means that Iridopelma sp.recife is most likely I. hirsutum or an unclassified T.


P.S. Mike are you the one that took all the pics for Kens calenders? I have one one my desk at work they rock.