Can anyone identify this??

[Robert Martin]

Hi everyone.
I bought this 't' as a Brachypelma vagans but it is lacking the beige ring around the outside of the carapace which is causing me doubt. Around the carapace it has small red hairs almost like the hair on the abdomen spreads around it. I'm thinking it might be the 't' in this link http://giantspiders.com/pamphobeteus_sp2.html
If anyone has any idea can you please let me know.
Here's the 't'






Cheers everyone.
Rob

[Robert Martin]

Ok i understand that it is difficult to identify from a photo but does anyone agree that this probably isn't a B vagans and might actually be something else...?

[Chris Sainsbury]

Hi

Not that I could ID it anyway, but all I see are 3 little white boxes with a red cross in each of them, so maybe others can't see the pics also which may explain the lack of the "it could be this or that based on my mates rabbit eating donkey" type of replies.

Cheers
Chris

[Phil Rea]

Hi

Not that I could ID it anyway, but all I see are 3 little white boxes with a red cross in each of them, so maybe others can't see the pics also which may explain the lack of the "it could be this or that based on my mates rabbit eating donkey" type of replies.

Cheers
Chris

Me neither, and I can't see any pics, just crosses. The attachments in your post don't exist on the forum or have been deleted, so I can't fix it.

Try reposting the pictures

[James Box]

i can see the link, it's a Pamphobeteus sp Peru from Guy Tansley's site...i think some here may know of some characteristics of both genera to compare? might help clear it up a bit...

[Emily Nicholls]

I can't see the photo's either, but as far as I'm aware there are some hybridization issues with B. vagans, so it's possible that you do have a vagans, just a hybrid sort of one.

I'm sure someone who knows more about it will explain more/correct me!

[matthew spooner]

cant see the pics mate but from your description, it sounds to me liek you got yourself a brachy sabulosum, i have got some of these and they are quite similar but they have the red ring instead of beige on the carapace. hope this helps

[Robert Martin]

Thanks for replying people. Thats weird the pis arn't showing. They show on my computer.



Have they worked now?

[matthew spooner]

yea the pics are up now fella, judging by the size and shape of the abdomen i wud say this prob is a pamphobeteus, although i have never kept them so dont hold me to that lol

[Robert Martin]

Sound.Cheers Matt. I didn't think it was a vagans. I may have been keeping it wrong then. I want to identify it so i know i'm caring for it properly...

[matthew spooner]

whats its temprement like? i think most people see a black T with a red abdomen and assume its vagans lol

[Robert Martin]

Yeah its not bad tempered.Its quite placid but dosn't want to be handled.If i disturb it it just runs,it's never showed any aggreshion. Is quite skittish tho..and a fantastic appetite!

[matthew spooner]

Yeah its not bad tempered.Its quite placid but dosn't want to be handled.If i disturb it it just runs,it's never showed any aggreshion. Is quite skittish tho..and a fantastic appetite!

unusual, i have always heard that pamphos are aggressive, i know they all have their own personalities but strage, oh well lol

[Chris Sainsbury]

Hi

So by the shape and size of the abdomen we now think that instead of a Brachypelma it is now a Phamphobeteus? Sorry but that is just a little daft when to take into consideration that an abdomen can change shape and size depending on how much it has eaten.

Have you got an old moult to look at? If so I think you may be able to rule out either Phamphobeteus or Brachypelma by taking a look at the spermatheca. Also looking for a few other key points like the stridulation organ etc I think you could narrow down the genus quite well. Species on the other hand could prove harder as there are more than just Brachypelma vagans in the Brachypelma genus that have red rumps.

Even the Sericopelma genus might be worth a look at in the red rump view of things.

To me at anyrate it resembles more the shape of a Brachypelma with its broad roundish carapace as oppose to the more ovalish carapaces found on Phampobeteus.
Personly though I would start of with looking at the spermatheca among other things before I even hazzerd a guess at it.
Alll the best
Chris

[matthew spooner]

well none of us are experts chris, which i made clear in every message. like i originally said, i though it sounded like a brachy, was just trying to help robert with all possibilities