Selenocosmiinae Pictures

[Benjamin_M_Kelly]

Hi there folks,

I'm looking to start up a small website in a similar vein to BaboonSpiders.de and Asian Arboreals, but for Selenocosmiinae species, so:

Selenocosmia, Selenotypus, Psalmopoeus, Chilobrachys... etc...

Now, I'm not going to give any details away just yet but I am looking for photographs of different species that fall into these categories. The picture needs to be high definition, free of watermarks and other signatures etc, and must be of a Selenocosmiinae species.

Credit will duly be given for any photos submitted

The species must be of any genus from the following list:

• Chilobrachys
  
• Coremiocnemis
  
• Haplocosmia
  
• Lyrognathus
• Orphnaecus
  
• Phlogiellus
  
• Psalmopoeus
  
• Selenobrachys
• Selenocosmia
• Selenotholus
  
• Selenotypus
  
• Yamia

Please PM me for details


EDIT: Am I missing any genera from that list, or have any moved? I'm looking at a paper that also mentions Chilocosmia, and doesn't note a lot of the others. I've no idea which of these papers are accurate chronologically. Yes, the site is very much in infancy, it's a project I want to take on - nothing major per se, just gathering taxonomy and some other basic information into one place.

[Steve Nunn]

Hi,
You're missing Poecilotheria

Other than that, the list is good...."Poecilotherinae" is not considered a subfamily, despite those who say it is......it just isn't. When you compare several of the Chilobrachys, particularly some of those out of Myanmar, this becomes apparent.

Cheers,
Steve

[Martin Huber]

Hi Steve,

what about Tapinauchenius? Where do you see these?

all the best,
Martin

[James Box]

oh NOOOOOOOOOOOO we can't have Poecilotheria polluting our lovely family of Selenocosmiinae!!!

much sadness

i have some pics (of proper Selenocosmiinae!), see what i can do mate...species verification is best guess though!

[andy hood]

A/F S. dichromata

[James Box]

stunning pic Andy...what a lovely girl!

[andy hood]

thanks james, she sure is a stunning girl

[mary walters]

OOOOH niiiice Andy, how big is she, I think mine is juve.

[Steve Nunn]

Hi Steve,

what about Tapinauchenius? Where do you see these?

all the best,
Martin

Hi Martin,
As belonging within Aviculariinae, certainly with nothing nearer to do with Selenocosmiinae (lyra does not indicate subfamilial relationships in the way you are "possibly" thinking, the character states need to be defined clearer- lyra coded as "present/absent" is hardly informative). Would you agree? Where do you see them?
Thanks,
Steve

[Mikhail F. Bagaturov]

Hi Steve!

Nice to see you alive and well (maybe you will also dig some my old still unanswered mails).
As for Aviculariinae - bad choice, the same is like with Poecilotheria being selenocosmiin I expect you will also say Psalmopoeus shall not form the independent subfamily Sinurticatinae, yes?

[Steve Nunn]

Hi Mikhail,
Psalmopoeus and Tapinauchenius are far from my grasp on Theraphosidae my friend, but I fail to understand the elevation of "Sinurticatinae", the paper describing the group was of little help to me to understand them as a distinct clade (why do they not fit Aviculariinae??? The paper is of little use in explaining this) As to Poecilotheria, I've talked with Andrew Smith in some detail about them, he, like myself, feels they should remain in Selenocosmiinae for now. When some of the Myanmar Chilobrachys are considered (those with bicolored femora and "feathered" ventral regions of anterior femora, combined with spermathecal morphology etc), the lines to define them outside Selenocosmiinae become very blurred. Not to say they do not exist as a distinct clade (I could well be wrong), but the relationship between those two genera is interesting to say the least IMO and would need to be explained away in order to define Poecilotheria as a subfamily. For example, what synapomorphies place the Poecilotheria outside the Selenocosmiinae??? Embolus morphology??? I know of some derived traits within the genus (lyrate morphology), but do they place the genus outside the subfamily Selenocosmiinae??? Or, better within it as only a well defined selenocosmiine genus??

Sinurticatinae schmatinae, I disagree with this elevation. When you look at the relationship between Tapinauchenius and some Aviculariines (considering embolus, lyra on prolat maxillae, spermathecae, leg morphology, etc), the group "Sinurticatinae" looks very weak to say the least. Does the loss of urticating setae really define a subfamily??? I have SERIOUS doubts. But, that's just me.

Replies on their way to you shortly!
Steve

[DanEgan]

Ohhhh Pretty Dichromata

[Mikhail F. Bagaturov]

Steve!

For me "Sinurticatinae" looks failed since its creation.
As for including Poecies into Poecilotheriinae or not i have see no enough support for both points of view
Anyway, it is for sure evident that all that subfamilies (all) needs to be strongly revised under the recent data and findings.

[Steve Nunn]

Hi Mikhail,
Yes, they do for certain! I do not know if molecular phylogenetics will resolve this problem, but I do think morphological phylogenetics could easily resolve this issue. From my very basic understanding of molecular phylogenetics, they can be very usefull nearer terminal branches, however in basal areas of trees, they become very cloudy, which is where morphological cladistics become a great tool, and visa versa. That said, I am certain proponenets of molecular phylogenetics would strongly argue

The debate rages!

Steve