Cyriopagopus schoedtei breeding

[D Browne]

Hi guys and gals

i was wondering if anyone could give me a little info on breeding these? is it hard? complex? risky?

Im possibly getting a juvi female and juvi male with a view to attempting to breed them, though i would expect the male to mature much sooner then the female would as they are roughly the same size, so this could be immaterial. But im still interested to find out about it.

Ive done a bit of research but couldnt find loads, just that the female has a tendancy to eat the male afterwards. ive never breed anything before, and have only been keeping tarantulas since sept so i think i may be thinking ahead of myself to much, but it is something im interested in doing at some point i think.

Thanks for any help
Danny

[craig mcinnes]

If you feed the female more than the male then she should be mature before he is. I did this with a brother and sister pair a couple of years ago and managed a successful sac. I gave the female conditions similar to what is mentioned here http://asianarboreals.googlepages.co...opusschioedtei although it was more through good luck than deliberate planning.

[Ian Hall]

Interesting link Craig, going to be late for work now. Lol.

[Stephen jordan]

Why bother?

Males mature before females for a reason. think about it! If they wanted to mate with males from the same sac then they would mature together? I have two Cyriopagopus schioedtei, both juvies...one possible male and a possible female. I'm waiting to find a male, same goes for all my spiders. Everything happens in nature for a very good reason, so why mess with that! I've waited months for a mature male H lividum and now I've found one, unrelated! the way nature intended. I don't think theres an awful lot of data to say inbreeding is detrimental to future offspring but still, why mature a lot sooner than females?

[craig mcinnes]

Actually i've found from breeding a few species and keeping a load of the slings back that for every fast growing mature male from the sac there seems to be an equally mature female amongst the group as well (females mature at a smaller size than a lot of people realise). Also there are slow growing males that mature a year or two after the majority of the other males from the sac have matured so to me the whole males mature faster than females to avoid inbreeding thing is nothing more than a myth.

[Stephen jordan]

My reply was directed towards why inbreed when there is a good possibility of aquiring an unrelated mature male, instead of inbreeding. Neither of us can prove either way wether they inbreed in the wild or not, but in captivity we have the power to make that decision for them. Are you an expert by the way? I'm not, I'm just facinated by spiders and believe that inbreeding any member of the animal kingdom is wrong, to me that is plain common sense, call it natural instinct

[craig mcinnes]

My reply was directed towards why inbreed when there is a good possibility of aquiring an unrelated mature male, instead of inbreeding.

If you are worried about inbreeding then go find an unrelated male (quite a hard task sometimes if you do not know the history of your female or the male you find) but if you are not worried about inbreeding then why go looking for another male if you have one to hand?

Neither of us can prove either way wether they inbreed in the wild or not, but in captivity we have the power to make that decision for them.

Have a look at the spider here http://www.thebts.co.uk/forums/downl...?do=file&id=15 and the size of the island it lives on then tell me inbreeding doesn't happen in the wild.

Are you an expert by the way? I'm not, I'm just facinated by spiders and believe that inbreeding any member of the animal kingdom is wrong, to me that is plain common sense, call it natural instinct

Nope i'm certainly not an expert nor do i have any aspirations to be one. I didn't realise i had to be one to post my own observations of the spiders i keep. My bad.
If you believe inbreeding is detrimental to tarantulas then i'm certainly not going to try and change your mind after all you only have to do a quick search on any forum to see that every inbreeding thread goes round and round in the same circle. That said if anyone can provide me with any actual documented evidence of inbreeding causing problems in tarantulas or can explain how Mascaraneus remotus avoid inbreeding i'd be very grateful.

[Stephen jordan]

I meant no offence when I asked if you were an expert, it was merely a question. I dare say spiders do interbreed at some degree but you can't judge all spiders on one species behaviour. I have a haplopelma that burrows and tops it with a trapdoor, but all my others dig burrow with a turret entrance, natural behaviour or not? No one knows! So I can't say all haplopelma build trapdoors can I? I'll stop there as this has the makings of a merry go round! I agree to disagree