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    Hello all

    This is my first post on this site and i'll start off with a query over something a little odd that has happened to my Grammostola Rosea and not being an expert, i'd like to open this to any readers that may have an idea or an answer.

    I bought my first tarantula in November 2011 and 'he' went through his first moult in February, but his colouration has me a little confused as it doesn't relate to anything i've seen before. Before the moult, i would say that he was of the grey colour form, perhaps slightly more brown if anything but he wasn't pink or copper from what i've seen through galleries here and in books (The 'Tarantula keepers guide revised edition' is basically my Bible!). He had a small gold patch on the abdomen and small patches of pink around his eyes, but otherwise he was what i'd expected a Chilean Rose to be.

    However... during the moult he appearted to be virtually all black as he emerged from his old skin with the addition of yellow fangs, although I knew that this would be more or less the case until the new skin had dried and hardened to some extent. But weeks on from his moult, he is still almost black. He has a copperish trim around the main body section (thorax?) with some copper hairs on his legs but only the first segment nearest his body, otherwise he's charcoal coloured now!?!

    I've seen an image of a variation called 'Pulchra' (?) which appeared completely black, but i can't understand why his colouration has changed so much from a single moult. Any suggestions as to what has happened? I will post some images of him before and after the moult soon so you can see exactly what i mean, but this occurance seems a liitle strange to a novice keeper.

    Thank you.

  • #2
    How old is "he"?

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    • #3
      Hmm. good question! The pet shop i got 'him' from was Dolittles on the Bridgnorth Road near Wolverhampton. They estimate that they are approx. six months old and they are imported from Chile and not captive bred, so he is approximately a year old now i guess. Thanks for the reply.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Damian Storer View Post
        They estimate that they are approx. six months old and they are imported from Chile and not captive bred, so he is approximately a year old now i guess. Thanks for the reply.
        Oh my, Oh my So he's about 1-2cm then ?

        If 'he' is anywhere near full size, then its more like anywhere from 5 to 15 years old. I've seen rock's grow faster than Chile's.
        I really wonder sometimes how these petshops get away with some of the rubbish they sprout out.
        Anyhow, a picture can speak more than a thousand words especially if there is something next to it showing the actual size of the spider.

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        • #5
          Peter

          Well as you can see then i'm a novice and have no idea how fast a tarantula grows. I've read that an adult male may only live for five years, so if he's pretty much fully grown then i guess i won't have him for much longer. Just lke i guessed that he was one year old, because this is all new to me.

          It's clearly humerous to you that someone doesn't know as much about tarantulas as you do, but showing an attitude of ridiculing someone for their inexperience instead of bringing them up to your speed won't bring novice's like me up to your standard and your knowledge won't be passed on because people won't listen to you if you just laugh at them for their errors. I came here for help, not to be laughed at. Shops get away with it because people like me walk in that don't understand their new hobby very well and can have the webs pulled over their eyes.

          His leg span is around 4 inches, so i would presume then that his is more or less fully grown and nearer to five years old than one. i'm glad we've sorted that one out.

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          • #6
            Damian

            Firstly I dont believe Peter was laughing at you, more the information that has been given to you. From my personal dealings with Peter (forums questions etc) he gives extremly beneficial information from his own experiences and has helped me with a few problems ive had in the past so please dont jump on the defensive replies can easily be misread or misinterpretated

            Chilean roses are extremly slow growers one of mine is around 2" maybe a litle less and is over 2 years old and believe me will live a lot longer than 5 years closer to 30 plus for females and a year maybe more for a male once hes had his mature molt ie bulbous pedipalps (lil legs at the front by the fangs)

            please post your pic as im interested to see the black and see if i can help

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            • #7
              No I wasnt laughing at you but as usual the newby jumps to the defensive/aggressive response when the reply doesnt exactly fit what they expect.

              Why dont you return to the extremely knowledgeable petshop where you bought your T and ask them instead, maybe they will give you the reply that you obviously think that you deserve.

              Please dont bother replying because i certainly wont be replying to any more of your posts.


              His leg span is around 4 inches, so i would presume then that his is more or less fully grown and nearer to five years old than one.
              PS. If he is a male (who sexed 'him' and how ?) with a legspan of approx 4inches and WC, I would guessimate that he is a minimum of 5 years probably a few years older.
              Last edited by Peter Roach; 31-03-12, 09:34 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Damian Storer View Post
                ... I bought my first tarantula in November 2011 ...
                My, oh my, oh my!

                First the pleasantries:

                "Welcome to the hobby!"

                "Welcome to these forums!"


                Then, you need to read the following:

                Stan's Rant. Pay particular attention to the warnings. Read the books!

                Care and Husbandry of the Chilean Rose Tarantula.

                Myths, Misconceptions, Mistakes Perpetuated by Tarantula Enthusiasts

                And, we need to know what the tarantula's Diagonal Leg Span (DLS) is. This is the distance from the tip of one front leg to the tip of the rear leg on the opposite side when the tarantula is resting in a normal posture.

                And, a photo would help a lot.

                Originally posted by Damian Storer View Post
                ... (The 'Tarantula keepers guide revised edition' is basically my Bible!). He had a small gold patch on the abdomen and small patches of pink around his eyes, but otherwise he was what i'd expected a Chilean Rose to be. ...
                And thank you very much for the vote of confidence.

                Originally posted by Damian Storer View Post
                ... I've seen an image of a variation called 'Pulchra' (?) which appeared completely black, but i can't understand why his colouration has changed so much from a single moult. Any suggestions as to what has happened? I will post some images of him before and after the moult soon so you can see exactly what i mean, but this occurance seems a liitle strange to a novice keeper. ...
                Yes, G. pulchra are completely black. Actually gorgeous spiders! If and when you get another tarantula I would urge you to get one of them.

                About your recent altercation on this forum. Both of you: Relax! Take it with a grain of salt and maybe a little smile. The medium that we're using has a few shortcomings. Among them are that we can't see the twinkle in the other person's eye, the smile on their lips, and the irony they're trying unsuccessfully to imply. Nobody here is an ogre. We're all comrades in arms.

                Now, kiss and make up. Well... maybe just shake figurative hands instead!

                Lastly, has anyone told you of the tarantula enthusiast's lament?

                LIKE THOSE POTATO CHIPS, YOU CAN'T HAVE JUST ONE!

                You've been warned!


                WE NEED PHOTOS!
                The Tarantula Whisperer!
                Stan Schultz
                Co-author, the TARANTULA KEEPER'S GUIDE
                Private messaging is turned OFF!
                Please E-mail me directly at schultz@ucalgary.ca

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                • #9
                  First of all, welcome to the BTSForum.
                  Also I agree with Stan on this one. The internet is a great tool but it can bea nightmare. It is difficult to convey opinions without appearing to be patronizing or rude. Pete is a well respected member of the forum and I am sure after reading his post that his comments were aimed at the seller rather than the buyer.Being a new keeper can be fraught with worries. It is certainly not the aim ofthe more experienced to put anyone down or belittle them. I remember my firsttarantula (197) strangely enough also a Chile rose. I also remember that at that time there was virtually no information available on them. No internet, few books (Ann Webb’s was my bible for many years), no clubs to join, no one toask. These days we are bombarded with information from all angles. My advice to anyone new to the hobby is "ask the question". Sure there will be the detractors, there is in any hobby, but there are also the guys who have spent years listening, learning and digesting the knowledge they have acquired. So remember the information is there to be gleaned, there isn’t a question that hasn’t been asked a thousand times but that doesn’t matter and many of us are always happyto help if we can.

                  Now, to your question. One of the things you will see has you progress in the hobby (and you will, as Stan says they are like crisps) that tarantulas never seem to do as you expect. It’s one of the reasons so many of us love them. A very well respected, long gone hobbyist who kept hundreds of tarantulas in hisoffice had on his shelf two identical tanks. Both contained an adult Aphonoplema seemanni. The one was nearer the window and in full sun so he kept it covered with a black cloth to reduce the heat and light to it in order to protect the spider. The one next to it wasin partial shade and so there was little need to keep it covered. The spider beneath the cover that spent 95% of the time in near darkness was jet black with white stripes, a fantastic spider. The one next to it was a dull brown with washed out stripes. Both were from the same egg sac. His conclusion andone that has been borne out many times is that as tarantulas approach a molt they can fade in colouration. Similarly when a spider molts it is often adifferent colour (darker) than prior to the molt. My spider room is kept withthe blinds drawn at all times and many of my spiders including Brachypelma species are bright in colour.
                  Another thing worth remembering is that some tarantulas are sexually dimorphic,in other words the males, on maturity, differ greatly from the females. One such species is indeed the Aphonoplema seemanni. I had the fright of my life when ones (many years ago) a friend asked me to look after his spiders whilst he was on holiday. One day he had a beautiful black and white spider and the next after a molt the males was jet black with no stripes. Imagine explain that to the owner when he returned. Fortunately we are still good friends after all these years.

                  Finally, there is no wrong and right way to keep your tarantulas. The fun for me, when I started, was learning how to keep them and record my observations.Sure I made mistakes, casualties occurred but we learn from our errors. There are no experts merely enthusiastic amateurs. So enjoy the spider, enjoy the forum and above all enjoy the hobby.....

                  Ray Hale
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                  • #10
                    Peter

                    I'm sorry.

                    The internet is a wonderful tool as mentioned in other posts, but it's also true in other posts is that you don't see the facial experssions of the person talking to you. My aggressive response is just a knee jerk reaction to thinking that you were laughing at my complete lack of knowledge rather than the pet shop perhaps in that they could have said alot more within reason and i'd have known no better. I'm sure now looking back at it that my frustration just got the better of me in thinking that you were basically taking the piddle out of me. From other comments i've read, it's clear your knowledge is much needed here and please don't be put of by my frustration.

                    I just need help with my GR because his colouration is the oddest thing and as soon as i get round to attaching a photo, you'll see why...

                    Once again Peter, i'm sorry.

                    Damian

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                    • #11
                      To the rest of you....

                      Thank you so much for your replies. I need as much help as i can get being so green in this subject and i really appreciate your input. I simply have to get these photos uploaded as soon as i can, but i can't do it from where i am as i don't have internet at home (i know, it's 2012 but i don't have a phone line where i live) so please be patient with me, it's top of my to do list

                      It's made me think actually, in particular the comment concerning light conditions by Ray Hale, that my GR may have adapted to his sourroundings in the months i've had him (It? i call it him due to what i've read concerning the general physiology of t's in that the male is generally longer legged with a smaller body, but overall is a similar size to the female?) as he lives in quite a shaded area. Due to this lack of bright light he may have altered his appearance to 'blend' in better to the darker shades? It's a crazy idea and i know that t's aren't chameleons, but it's a theory i suppose.

                      Anyhows, i'll read up on the rules of posting images here and then you can see for yourselves, i hope it's just not an anti-climax for you all now.

                      Watch this space and thank you for you help

                      ps. my GR has started eating again after his molt and ate both crickets that i put in yesterday!!! He's back!!!!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Simon Brown View Post
                        Damian
                        Chilean roses are extremly slow growers one of mine is around 2" maybe a litle less and is over 2 years old and believe me will live a lot longer than 5 years closer to 30 plus for females and a year maybe more for a male once hes had his mature molt ie bulbous pedipalps (lil legs at the front by the fangs)
                        His legs are long and quite slight compared to photos i've seen of other GR's and the pedipalps are certainly not bulbous. For the first time i'm starting to wonder if i've got a GR at all!!! plus lately he's been adopting a resting position that i've only ever seen an Indian Ornamental (P Regalis?) do, with four legs straight out infront and the other four straight out at the back, making him look very long and slender rather than the little fuzz ball he was when i first brought him home. I've REALLY got to post these pictures here asap!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Damian Storer View Post
                          His legs are long and quite slight compared to photos i've seen of other GR's and the pedipalps are certainly not bulbous. For the first time i'm starting to wonder if i've got a GR at all!!! plus lately he's been adopting a resting position that i've only ever seen an Indian Ornamental (P Regalis?) do, with four legs straight out infront and the other four straight out at the back, making him look very long and slender rather than the little fuzz ball he was when i first brought him home. I've REALLY got to post these pictures here asap!


                          My L. parayhbana does this too, just after a molt for about a week........just stretching his new legs I expect!

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                          • #14
                            Hey Ben

                            Yeah that would make complete sense, but the GR did it before the molt too so perhaps it's a thing he likes to do!!! Usually he is up on his toes so to speak, but now and then he just stretches out completely for a while! I've got pics to upload now so i'll show you...

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                            • #15
                              Right all!!

                              At last here are some images for you to browse over. Please let me know what you think may be an explanation for this, or then again there may just not be one! Enjoy...

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