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    Sorry if this is the wrong place, was going to ask in the introduction thread but just seems wrong. Did a quick search but came up short. Bit of a long post but I want to include as much info as possible.

    I recently acquired my first T, a B. Albiceps juvenile, around 2.75", 10 days ago. She seems to be not settling at all. I set her up in a enclosure about 8" x 6" x 4", bone dry coco fibre, waterdish overflown a bit, piece of cork bark hot glued to the side to make a shelf/hide. Have a digital thermometer/hygrometer, temps are ~25C and Humidity high 70% (70 to 80 recommended) so I don't think climate is an issue.

    Now when I got her I placed in her enclosure straight away, rested a heat mat at the side of the enclosure and placed her on top of my drawers. I watched her the first night head straight to the water dish and drank for quite a while, have observed her on 2 other occasions drink from it. I dropped a mealworm in 2 days later, after receiving her, and she dug it up and ate it, great! She likes to sit on top of her hide and generally never leaves the heatmat side of her enclosure, as I was told to expect. She also seems to have no interest in food now, tried a cricket and mealworms, which to my knowledge is not a worry.

    I have been trying my best to fuss as little as possible, but being my first T excitement can get the better of me. I built a red LED torch to look at her with seen as they are blind to it. Obviously have had family members who wanted a look, but didn't move her at all for them to see. Had to open the lid up to change her water dish couple of time.

    Now my problem is she seems to have been in a stress pose constantly (legs covering her carapace), last half a week in particular. Past 24 hours she seems to have been in this position in her hide. The first time I saw her like this I brushed her leg to check she wasn't in a death curl and her abdomen looks reasonable when I caught her drinking from the water dish 2 days ago. The skin under the bald spot doesn't look dark.

    Just need some reassurance or advice. Is the enclosure too big? I ordered a clear acrylic 8x4x4 inch enclosure as it is much clearer plastic than her current one, but worried about transferring her when it arrives if she is still showing signs of generally being annoyed. Should I be worried about her being in this pose for too long? Or is should I leave her alone for a another week? Possibly entering pre-molt?

    Apologies if this has been answered before but I couldn't find a similar situation occurring and this would be the best place to ask. I am probably also just worrying unnecessarily but I want to be 100% sure I am doing the right thing here!
    0.1.0 Brachypelma smithi (annitha?)
    0.1.0 Chromatopelma cyanopubescens

  • #2
    All sounds OK to me except . .
    she seems to have been in a stress pose constantly (legs covering her carapace)
    This sounds physically impossible to me, its like you crossing your arms . . behind your back. It just aint gonna happen.

    Also what is exactly is a stress pose, is this a new modern saying cos I've never heard of it.

    The best thing you can do is post up a photo so we can look at this 'stress pose'.

    The enclosure isnt too big for the size of the spider.

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    • #3
      It something I come across online, where I have no idea, probably some american website. Apparently it is when the hunch their legs close to their body obscuring the carapace. http://i.imgur.com/7zWdL.jpg is an image I found from google. She probably has moved but not much from where I saw her last night and this morning.

      Tried to take a picture but the plastic is too translucent and I get the camera to look in the hide. I have covered her enclosure slightly to make it darker but not block ventilation. Starting to think she just wants to be left alone.

      My next question is a 8x4x4 inch too small? I am more than willing to order the next size up which is the same floor space as the current enclosure, 8x6x6 inch. Apologies, this is probably just me hitting panic mode too quickly!
      Last edited by Arron Hooks; 30-11-12, 08:44 PM.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Arron Hooks View Post
        Starting to think she just wants to be left alone.
        Yep looks like it to me. They thrive on neglect . . ie stop fussing and leave it alone for a week or 3.
        The hunched position just means that isnt comfortable in the new enclosure yet. Just leave it alone and let it settle in.
        Whenever i get a new spider or even when I move an old one into a different container, I leave it totally alone for 2-3 weeks.
        I dont even check on it. Totally alone means EXACTLY that.

        Originally posted by Arron Hooks View Post
        My next question is a 8x4x4 inch too small?
        Definitely NOT. I have 20 something Brachy albopilosum . . all are kept in 3 1/2 inch tubs >>> round tubs on right >>> LINK

        Originally posted by Arron Hooks View Post
        Apologies, this is probably just me hitting panic mode too quickly!
        Yep, most definitely is

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        • #5
          Thanks for your advice, put my mind at rest knowing I am taking the right steps. For now I have placed some card at the front and a leaflet on top of the enclosure to make it darker. Once the new enclosure comes I shall move her over and leave her a fortnight from then in the same covered up condition. Just need to make sure the water bowl is fine?
          0.1.0 Brachypelma smithi (annitha?)
          0.1.0 Chromatopelma cyanopubescens

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Arron Hooks View Post
            Just need to make sure the water bowl is fine?
            Up to you. Most people provide a small waterbowl, I generally dont.

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            • #7
              Hi Arron
              I like above have kept T's for a long time, and I only give water if I'm not feeding on a regular basis, and like Peter said sometimes T's don't like being moved especially if you have had it sent through post. Their normally off color for quite a while, so just chill, it should be ok in a few days.
              Roy.

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              • #8
                Her new enclosure came today from House of Spiders, very impressed. Transferred her straight away as I saw no point letting her settle just to upset her again by moving her. Slapped in a piece of cork bark tube and some coco fibre, as well as leaving out the water dish as recommended. Only problem was the humidity went off the scale, and the eco earth seemed pretty much completely dry. Put it down to a dodgey digital hygrometer but I noticed condensation forming in one corner, so made a quick fix by making a 50mm hole in the lid and covering in some screen. I also made the other vent holes in the lid 5mm wide. Now the humidity is around 83% which I am happy with seen as it was given a recommended humidity of 70 to 80%. When I am back on campus I will look into making a nicer looking lid which is 50/50 screen/holes. If the current modifications hold I won't rush it being made and simply change it once she is settled, just that the quick fix looks ugly as hell.

                During the times I transferred her from enclosure to enclosure she didn't kick hairs once and calmly moved herself as I gently herded her with a brush. Got her enclosure shaded from the light and I will leave her alone now for the next 14 days.

                Before: http://imgur.com/BvNjD
                After: http://i.imgur.com/jAHPL.jpg
                Pose mentioned earlier (blurry pic sadly): http://i.imgur.com/4tttc.jpg

                Thanks for your replies.
                0.1.0 Brachypelma smithi (annitha?)
                0.1.0 Chromatopelma cyanopubescens

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                • #9
                  Her new enclosure came today from House of Spiders, very impressed
                  made a quick fix by making a 50mm hole in the lid and covering in some screen. I also made the other vent holes in the lid 5mm wide.
                  So you was so impressed by one of the most expensive 'pretty' tubs that you immediately cut holes in it !!! LOL


                  as well as leaving out the water dish as recommended.
                  Who recommended that you leave out the water dish ?
                  I've just noticed that there were 2 large rocks in the old water bowl, any particular reason why ?

                  Only problem was the humidity went off the scale
                  errr . . . So what ? Where is the problem ? It doesnt rain in the wild and the humidity doesnt rise ?

                  Put it down to a dodgey digital hygrometer
                  Throw it away and dont buy any more. All you are doing is over complicating things for yourself unnecessarily.
                  You have a hardy and bomb proof tarantula, it is a species that is recommended for beginners for a reason.

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                  • #10
                    Rather have it functional than looking pretty . I have means of creating a better looking lid soon, there is a whole load of cnc machines on campus I could easily cut some acrylic to my desire as a replacement.

                    It wasn't the hygrometer reading that alarmed me, it was the condensation build up. Pg 165, TKG "Under no circumstances should the humidity in the cage be maintained so high to allow condensation on the cage's walls". I felt the need to remedy this as soon as possible rather than allow it to build up more, even if it meant ruining the lid of a pretty enclosure. Now that is out of the way I can just leave it.

                    Measuring equipment will be sacked off shortly, just my mindset that I feel need to measure all the things.

                    The rocks are there to remove the possibility of crickets drowning, again a suggestion taken from TKG.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arron Hooks View Post
                      The rocks are there to remove the possibility of crickets drowning, again a suggestion taken from TKG.
                      If any prey insect isnt taken within a few seconds, take it out immediately and try again in a weeks time (or 2)
                      I really cant see where the 'leave it in for 24hrs' rubbish has come from.
                      If the spider is hungry, the cricket wont last more than 0.00001 of a second after the tarantula notices it.

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