a blue P.subfusca????

[Nicola Dolby]

I have seen the pictures on the t-store and, although it might by my eyesight, I couldn't see the difference. We get minor alterations and colour morphs in the wild all the time, take for example the 'black' and 'brown' P. metallica variants. I could even say the same about my P. subfusca who since maturing has no purple, blue or any colour at all; she's just vivid black and white. I think that until we can firmly establish that the highland and lowland are definite variants of P. subfusca then we are making too much of this. Just my thoughts

[Alexandre BONACCORSO]

Hi Ray,

Thank you for your answer.
For one thing, I just really want to understand things, not at all spread rumours.

I must admit, before saying anything like "these 2 'so called forms' do not cross each other", there must be a lot of attempts, which is not the case for the time being. On the other hand, one single successful attempt is enough (counter-example). Is there any one known ? (here I guess what you can answer !)
I'll email you the people's names I was referring to in my previous message.

Be sure I pay great attention went people like you, Thomas F, Soren etc... are dealing with this (sensitive !) subject. When it's soon proved that 'subfusca forms' is a stupid mistake, then I'd happy of that ! As we say in France : "il n'y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d'avis" > only silly people do not change their minds
However, I can find some morphological differences between the 2 'so called forms', such as carapace shape (see Ben's photos), but I am not a taxonomist.

Once more I am not saying there are 2 'forms', just want to understand things.
In the end, I'd like to add that, in this particular case, I think it's not a commercial affair : we could see subfusca prices drop these last months, with more successful breedings, and most sold specimens look like the so-called 'lowland form'.

Cheers,
Alex

PS : really sorry for bad english

[Steevens DROGUET]

I think that everybody must take a look at BEN's job here :

http://la-mygalopole.forumactif.com/vos-photos-f2/poecilotheria-subfusca-t2220-160.htm

Best whishes, Steevens

[Ray Gabriel]

Hi Ray,

Thank you for your point of view.
Some (reliable) people have tried to "cross" these 2 so-called forms, and did never succeed. Do you have more informations about that ?

Cheers,
Alex

Hi Alex,

Never heard of that !

Who are these "reliable" people?

I wouldnt go as far as saying P. regalis was a dead cert to breed, and look how many i have turned out, just because they failed to breed two "forms" does not mean to say that it is beacuse its 2 forms that they never had a good eggsac, ive been trying to breed P. subfusca for years and only ever pulled of one eggsac.

P. subfusca is very hard to breed (for most people) respect to those that do.

If there are 2 forms take away the colour etc and show us all the taxonomical bits to show they are different.

Ray

[Alexandre BONACCORSO]

As for these 2 "varieties" of subfusca, well i have already been described as "full of S***" when it comes to this, so i will leave the comments to other people

have a read of what Thomas says in this thread

http://www.the-t-store.co.uk/forum/i...howtopic=11411

Remember none of these "lowland forms" were ever around untill AFTER it was pointed out that a specimen from near Matale was the largest P. subfusca (maybe even the largest Poecilotheria at the time), then EVERYBODY apart from the people who knew better had them for sale.

A bit like many of the Grammastola species, as soon as people were crying out for them and willing to pay high prices "POOF" as if by magic they sudenly appeared.

Hope this helps

Ray

Hi Ray,

Thank you for your point of view.
Some (reliable) people have tried to "cross" these 2 so-called forms, and did never succeed. Do you have more informations about that ?

Cheers,
Alex

[Eric Reynolds]

Hi Wayne,

some pics are being posted of a blueish morph that is claimed to be a highland form...is there any data to support the claimed forms and is there a new highland subfusca we dont know about???

Just curious, where did someone discuss or post pictures claiming to have a "blueish morph"? Just wondering where you getting this from?

Eric

[WayneYasinski]

thanks that helps greatly, i was hoping you'd chime in....the blue craze is insane over here at the moment, due to the M.balfouri's lol...350-600 for slings ugh!!!!!!
wayne

[Ray Gabriel]

Hi Wayne,

Sorry for late reply,

Not sure what you mean by "Blue" subfusca, there was a time some Germans were trying to sell P.ornata (blau), but i think that was jsut trying to cash in on the "blue" craze.

P. subfusca has (in my eyes) a purple hue on the upper femurs and carapace when freshlay moulted.

As for these 2 "varieties" of subfusca, well i have already been described as "full of S***" when it comes to this, so i will leave the comments to other people

have a read of what Thomas says in this thread

http://www.the-t-store.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=11411

Remember none of these "lowland forms" were ever around untill AFTER it was pointed out that a specimen from near Matale was the largest P. subfusca (maybe even the largest Poecilotheria at the time), then EVERYBODY apart from the people who knew better had them for sale.

A bit like many of the Grammastola species, as soon as people were crying out for them and willing to pay high prices "POOF" as if by magic they sudenly appeared.

Hope this helps

Ray

[WayneYasinski]

i thought this would be a better way, then emailing all of you personally lol...i guess this has come up in some American forums and was wondering if this has been witnessed over here...i know of 2 distinctive forms of P.subfusca, the highland and the debatable lowland(which some might think is just a color morph, that gets alittle bigger than the highland)..my question is that, some pics are being posted of a blueish morph that is claimed to be a highland form...is there any data to support the claimed forms and is there a new highland subfusca we dont know about???

thanks for your help wayne....