ID this T for me please :(

[Elaine Ross]

Hi Elaine

There is a distinct difference of the striping. most on the forum could id a brachypelma emilia or a Poecilotheria regalis from a photo because they are unmistakeable, i am certain i have given a correct ID because i have had years of owning this species and the photo in Mygales confirms it in my opinion, but it is only my opinion and i may be wrong.

Gayle has asked for an id and several people have kindly tried to help her i believe i have given her a correct ID.
Gayle must now decide on what she has read what species she owns, she may decide i am talking rubbish ( it has been known) she may decide it is homoeomma, she may decide she still does not know what it is, but that is what the forum is about helping eachother.

Regards Chris

Hi Chris

I understand what you are saying but I still dont agree with giving a definitive ID from a photo alone without even seeing the spider in person. You may well be correct but as Ray has said, he hasnt seen a dead male to study so a definite ID of Lasiodorides sp. kind of goes out the window until this is done.
Others have given a possible ID based on spiders they have owned also.

regards
Elaine

[chris carter]

Hi Chris

I understand what you are saying but I still dont agree with giving a definitive ID from a photo alone without even seeing the spider in person. You may well be correct but as Ray has said, he hasnt seen a dead male to study so a definite ID of Lasiodorides sp. kind of goes out the window until this is done.
Others have given a possible ID based on spiders they have owned also.

regards
Elaine

Sorry i get carried away sometimes
You are right Elaine no one can give a positive ID and i take onboard what you have said, but i am certain i am right. In future if i am certain i am right i will put i believe it is x y or z on my answer, but from the photo's and because of the leg striping it is more likely to be L than H, but it may be neither, or i could be wrong and it is H.

great hobby aint it

Regards Chris

[Gayle E. Anderson]

Hi Chris,

I don't have the book you have mentioned and so can't see the picture.
I have searched the internet for 'Lasiodorides' but can only seem to find pictures of L. Striatus, I would appreciate if you could provide me with a picture of the Lasidorides that you believe she is.
From looking at the pictures of Lasiodorides Striatus they appear to be alot more robust than my spider.

Cheers,
Gayle.

Hi Gayle

i still believe She is Lasiodorides sp , because i owned one for 9 years until she died last year, until 5 years ago they were sold as Pamphobeteus sp which would tie in with it being sold to you as a Pamphobeteus, the brown version was sold as Pamphobeteus wallacei, it was then decided to reclassify them as Lasiodorides sp and Lasiodorides striatus respectively and as Ray says they are known as Andean stripe knees.

The difference between Lasiodorides and the similar Homoeomma is that L stripes join at the bottom to make a distinct dagger shape whereas the H stripes are parralel and do not join atall, which can be clearly seen in the photo's.

Homoeomma is also a less robust Tarantula than Lasiodorides.

If you look on page 49 of J M Verdez & Frederic Cleton excellent book Mygales you will see your Tarantula in her full glory because they are beautiful spiders.

Chris

[chris carter]

Hi Chris,

I don't have the book you have mentioned and so can't see the picture.
I have searched the internet for 'Lasiodorides' but can only seem to find pictures of L. Striatus, I would appreciate if you could provide me with a picture of the Lasidorides that you believe she is.
From looking at the pictures of Lasiodorides Striatus they appear to be alot more robust than my spider.

Cheers,
Gayle.

Hi gayle

I have attached a scan of the page, showing L sp & L striatus, striatus is a bulkier spider than L sp, hopes this helps

Chris

[Gayle E. Anderson]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for that, unfortunately its not really possible to say with any certainty from that pic- 'that is my spider'.

I really would love to know what this girl is, she's such a great spid. And it would be nice if she could get some spider loving and then I'd have lots of little Belles!

[chris carter]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for that, unfortunately its not really possible to say with any certainty from that pic- 'that is my spider'.

I really would love to know what this girl is, she's such a great spid. And it would be nice if she could get some spider loving and then I'd have lots of little Belles!

Good luck with your search, it is easier to confirm id of Ts with actually seeing the T but you are a bit out of the way up there in Bonnie Scotland.

Regards Chris

[Eric Reynolds]

Hi Chris,

Hi gayle

I have attached a scan of the page, showing L sp & L striatus, striatus is a bulkier spider than L sp, hopes this helps

Chris

While this is labeled as a Lasiodorides sp. in that book, it doesn't necessarily mean it is one. But maybe it is, in part!

Without getting too deep into this, the reason JMV may have labeled it as a Lasiodorides sp. in the book may be due to the description of L. longicolli. However, if you look at the pictures in this description paper, they raise some concerns. The main concern being that the female and male do not belong to the same species. To me (and others), the male pictured in the description of L. longicolli is the species being discussed in this thread, while the female is not. But were the spiders in the pictures the ones actually used for the types? I won't speculate any further.

With all that being said, the spider being disscussed here is what's currently being called Homoeomma sp "blue" (the large one). Until further solid evidence is presented, I would suggest continuing to label them this way. It was also very frequently sold as "E. pulcherrimaklaasi" for a few years. LOTS of slings of this species were sold under that name in both Europe and the U.S. a few years back. There's a lot of discussion about that issue online, if you look around.

Eric

[stuart longhorn]

So why doesn't anyone stir things up by asking isnt it Thrixopelma ??!?

But, i go with the opinion that labeling it as POSSIBLE 'Homeomma sp blue (large)' is probably the most educated guess, though accept that name is a pet-trade one, and those are not actucally a Homeomma species. Else, Lasiodorides striatus or just Lasiodorides spec are probable. Without looking at the specimen properly, who knows !!

Anyway..
The 'Homeomma blue spermathecae look far off a Thrixopelma spermathecae to me.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the.tarantula.store/spermgal-Homeomma.htm

Who came up with the garbage of Homeomma spec anyway? I thought the real Homeomma are small and brown and dont visit Peru much... ?

[Eric Reynolds]

Hey Stuart,

So why doesn't anyone stir things up by asking isnt it Thrixopelma ??!?

I just wanted to make sure you knew this isn't the spider now described as T. cyaneolum. ? I thought from your comments that maybe you were suggesting this... just wanted to be sure. That was also sold as Homoeomma sp. "blue".... and then distinguished as the "small" one and "large" one due to the fact that the spider in this thread can become essentially twice the size of T. cyaneolum.

Anyway, I also wanted to be clear that I only suggested calling these spiders Homoemma sp. "blue" to keep them straight in the hobby for the time being. I don't have any personal belief or understanding that they are in fact a Homoeomma.

Eric

[Gayle E. Anderson]

As if I wasn't confused enough about the ID of my T!

From the pics I have seen I am pretty certain she's not Lasiodorides Striatus, she's not as chunky.
I am also pretty certain she's not Thrixopelma Pruriens, she's the wrong colour these days.

So Homoeomma sp 'blue' large, which people seem to be favouring at the correct ID... what size do these reach?
I have had this T for 10yrs, she was about 3" when I got her and is now...4".

[stuart longhorn]

Well Gayle,

Firstly well done for asking around and trying to get an Id on this spider - in many cases Id from a photograph is difficult enough, but we have so many levels of complexity here, as Homoeomma, Lasiodorides and Thrixopelma are still badly defined, and there are many rather similar species in the hobby.

So, you got some good advice here, and if people like eric say its likely one of the peruvian species, such as the one being traded as Homoeomma sp blue (large), then thats about what the identification is. what im trying to say is that I think there is VERY little chance this is actually a Homoeomma species, but that's the pettrade name on this species [if it is the same as those]. There is often a big difference between what species are actually in a genus - ie judged by a taxonomy specialist - and what pettrade names get put on a new unknown thing.

Eric, i am seriously uncertain what Homoeomma sp blue-large is, and i'm curious if it actually is an undescribed Thrixopelma - not T.cyaneolum - if you say its different.., though i agree it doesnt need an answer on a forum, it needs a morphologist to sit down with several specimens and seriously start to define Lasiodorides against Thrixopelma.

Well Galye - for an identification - its just a dificult one. But there is a good chance its the species SOLD AS Homeomma spec blue/large. Else, it could be a Lasiodorides sp, or i would suggest a Thrixopelma spec. And theres no need for it to be one of the described species, there are plenty of undescribed species being traded in the tarantula hobby.

Sorry to add to the confusion !!!

[Gayle E. Anderson]

Hi Stuart,

Thanks for your input.

So, basically the chances are I will never get a 100% positive ID on her, so I won't be able to breed her and without knowing what she is I won't be able to find any others?

She is such a lovely spider to keep, so laid back, she has never shown any signs of aggression, never even flicked hairs! Even when I've poked and prodded at her!

Here she is again, looking ever so peaceful and pretty.