pokie advice needed

[paul fleming]

Ok, so lets start with your group. The male is mature. If he stresses out the females they might predate, though this is unlikely from what I gather about fasciata. P. hanumavilasumica lives in S. India wheras P. fasciata comes from N. Sri Lanka. We don't know if P. hanumavilasumica is a variant of fasciata, an independant species or P. fasciata itself which has migrated. At least thats my understanding of it. All the best and keep an eye on the colony, they should be ok.

The male is in a box as we speak to go out tomorrow.
Thanks for trying to help but it did nothing but confuse the issue even more for me.
Are fasciatas banned from sale on the BTS....simple question really ?
If it is banned,it is like telling me,my 5 females and 2 males cannot be sold so that means the loss of 500 slings or so to the hobby.There is no way I want that many slings and these are captive bread too so if I can't sell and I don't want 50/50.......what do I do with these beautiful spiders.....split them all up into individual tanks......now way.
Paul

[Craig Mackay]

Are fasciatas banned from sale on the BTS....simple question really ?

Nope, I don't think they are.
P. hanumavilasumica is a seperate species that is very similar to P. fasciata. Because of the reasons talked about in the thread these are not allowed to be sold. The name 'P. fasciata southern Indian form' is just essentially the name that could be used to sell the species as a variant of P. fasciata (think P. subfusca "highland" and "lowland") rather than the P. hanumavilasumica it really would be. Hope that makes sense.

[paul fleming]

No,not really.....a bit confusing.
I still have not had a definate answer about the sale of fasciatas........just guesses really.
If I were to go ahead and put my pokies up for sale,I risk a life ban.
I quote from Mark Pennell...
"We will give only one warning on first offence, after that we will dish out a life time ban from the society and its organized events."
After what Pete told me,I will not sell any of my spiders here,which is a shame.
Maybe Phil could come along and clear things up.
I am not trying to stir things up,honestly,I just want to know what the rule is on fasciatas....and for that matter.....other pokies as well,excluding the weird named banned rare one which goes without saying. I support all efforts to conserve wildlife.
Paul

[Craig Mackay]

"Poecilotheria hanumavilasumica and South Indian P, fasciata are currently not allow to be traded here. We thank you for your kind support in this matter."

Nowhere does it say that P. fasciata is not allowed to be sold so there's your answer. As Nicola pointed out P. fasciata comes from Sri Lanka whilst P. hanumavilasumica (South Indian P. fasciata) comes from Southern India. The latter is the banned species and P. fasciata is fine. If your still not convinced then you can always PM Mark and he'll clear it up for you.

EDIT: As for other pokies there are no problems selling them on the site. Only P. hanumavilasumica. So relax you can sell with a clear conscience

[paul fleming]

ok...still a bit risky for my liking putting them up here after what Pete said.....and he has always given me sound advice so until I hear different from mark or phil......I would rather not chance it.
Thanks for your help by the way,appreciated.
Paul

[Craig Mackay]

no probs mate. Hope someone clarifies it for you soon.

[Matthew Bagley]

I can't see a problem to be honest , according to the link the ban also covers the show . I bought my P.fasciata at this years show .

[Peter Lacey]

Paul, rather than wait for one of the admins to reply to your post why didn't you pm one of them? That would have clarified it promptly m8 and its what I suggested in my post.
There's quite a bit of history with P. hanumavilasumica and as a member of BTS you have access to papers written about the proposed sanctuary and precarious state of this species. They are a worthy read for more than just clarifying your question.
In an attempt to curtail the poaching of this species from their natural habitat and to discourage trade in them the BTS has banned their sale within this forum. As P. fasciata are very similar to P. hanumavilasumica and attempts have been made to sell P. hanumavilasumica as P. fasciata southern form the ban has been inclusive of P. fasciata when sold as such.
A ban within this forum does not correspond to a ban within other forums however T-store and AP have followed suit.
If you were to sell slings from your own mating of P. fasciata there wouldn't be an issue, especially if the price reflected their value. However, any attempts at selling P. fasciata southern form with their inflated prices are not condoned for the reasons mentioned.
That's my understanding of the rules and as Nicola points out P. fasciata are Northern Sri Lanka and available from breeders.

My own P. faciata has moulted today or yesterday and is looking very female, I doubt she's fully mature though which is unfortunate.

[paul fleming]

Thanks Pete although it still seems vague to me.
What's the plans with the fasciata mate,do you have a male for her ?
Paul

[Peter Lacey]

I think the ultimate answer Paul is that your P. fasciata will be fine to offer on sale within BTS, sorry for any confusion.

If only the females were as easy to spot as mature as the males! I don't think she's fully mature tbh.

[paul fleming]

Thank you Peter
Paul