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  • #31
    Part 4: The BTS Lectures
    The BTS Lectures will celebrate their 10th birthday in 2012. Quite an achievement considering when Mark and Kim Pennell suggested it way back in 2002 it is a fact certain members of the BTS Committee were sceptical as to its chances of success. Older members might remember a similar venture being attempted in the early 90’s by Phillip Charpentier in Europe. His attempts fell by the wayside due to a mixture of apathy and lack of financial backing. Mark and Kim assured us that they could revamp the idea and it would be a success. There is really nothing like enthusiasm and they certainly had it. The proposal was voted upon and The Annual BTS Lectures were born. Their brief was to be quite simple.
    They would find a suitable venue, organise a number of lecturers from the world of Arachnology to attend, advertise, coordinate and run the event from start to finish and make it, if not profitable, certainly self-supporting. What could possibly be easier??
    They soon found the Aztec Hotel in Bristol. The question has been asked as to why Bristol? Well as I have said previously, if you are tasked to do something then why shouldn’t you make it as easy as possible for yourself? Mark and Kim live in Bristol, they know the area, they needed to find a venue, make numerous visits to negotiate terms, check rooms and facilities and be able to be on hand if any problems arise before the day. I find that perfectly understandable. In truth, I have considered moving the BTS Exhibition to nearer to me as it would certainly make my life easier. It was decided that they would try and procure lecturers from all aspects of Arachnology and not just the world of tarantulas. Those of you who have ever tried to organise local groups will know just how difficult it is to attract speakers that specialise. Nevertheless, they have managed this unenviable task for the last ten years and this year they have once again managed to procure some fine speakers. The format has stayed the same as it works. A light-hearted lecture by one of the more insane committee members (me or Pete) would introduce the day and break the ice. This would be followed by a number of lectures on more serious topics and the evening would see a sit down meal and a few wise cracks and side swipes at each other would ensue after a few beers. Andrew Smith would then give one of his classic lectures.
    The lecturers over the years have included such dignitaries as Fernando Péres-Miles (Uruguay), Boris Striffler (Germany), Eddy Hijmensen (Holland), Volker Von Wirth (Germany) , Søren Rafn ( Denmark), the legend that is Jean-Michel Verdez (France),Jenny Dobson ( Liverpool Museum), Jan Beccaloni (UK BMNH), Ray Gabriel (UK), Chris Hamilton (USA), Martin Huber (Germany) and of course our very own Andrew Smith. You can see there are some big names amongst them and we thank everyone who has made the effort to support the BTS Lectures over the years. Other BTS Committee members including myself, Martin Nicholas, Mark Pennell, Peter Kirk and Richard Gallon have lectured on occasion.
    Of course, all this has a price tag attached and we are the first to admit that the hotel is not cheap, the beer is certainly not cheap and the hotel is indeed four stars with the obvious costs. But I would point out that all BTS Committee members pay to attend the lectures (the full price) and for their own rooms. However we have taken the comments made on board as to the price excluding some members and the distance putting others off. But in our defence this is very special event organised by the club for its members once a year (although non-members are of course welcome) and why shouldn’t it be upmarket. The hotel is superb; the food is par excellence and the surroundings comfortable. I will not apologise for us trying to put on a first class event. Our attendance is usually between 60 and 70 and I am sure there are those who frequent this forum who have attended. The lecturers who attend for us are not paid. We may organise and pay for their flights, hotel accommodation and some expenses but none of them have actually ever asked to be paid a fee to speak for us. We consider it an honour that someone as respected as Fernando Péres-Miles would make the trip for us and frankly don’t see why we should compromise our principals on this. We accept that we could easily and more cheaply organise an event in a cheaper hotel with a conference centre somewhere in the Midlands perhaps, but it would still have to be funded and to attract the calibre of our headliner lecturers we feel it should be held in a suitable location. It is true that with the UK if not the World in the grip of a major recession there may be an argument to rethink certain aspects of the day. We are always open to suggestions and if you have attended the lectures we would love to hear from you with any improvement ideas .The BTS subsidises the Lectures. We do not make a profit on the day. We never intended to. For us it was a case of providing a service for those who had an interest. Since its inception in 2002 a number of other organisations have followed suit; DeArge, the German Tarantula Society, now holds hugely popular lecture weekends as does the ATS. The charge made to attendees goes to pay for the hire of the hotel facilities and the meal. The cost of the accommodation goes straight to the hotel. A breakdown of the running costs is freely available to any full BTS member on request but I think some of you may be surprised as to exactly how much things cost.

    All this said, however, I admit that it can be a hell of pricey weekend and I can see why when the cost of petrol, room, alcohol and the lectures has been considered it would put some folk off. As a BTS Committee member we are required to attend. So I know about costs. Recently we have had discussions on whether or not we should seek an alternative venue perhaps in a more central locale. Maybe we should, but once again this will require the enthusiasm and drive of someone else. Love them or hate them no one can deny that the lectures are a unique event. Mark and Kim have done a stirling job over the years, they continue to strive to provide a first class weekend and I for one hope they will continue to do so.

    Ray Hale
    BTS Committee
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    • #32
      Hi Ray

      was this the last post from you are are there some more coming?

      thanks.

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      • #33
        There are more to come but unfortunatly I have to fit writing them around work. I will be adding them asap.

        Ray
        British Tarantula Society - Join today safe and secure online

        [B]
        The 29th BTS Annual Exhibition
        On
        [B]Sunday 18th May 2014[B]

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        • #34
          Will be doing likewise Ray - I will add some about the Journal, its production and why it is sometimes late!

          Pete.
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          • #35
            Thanks to all for an informative thread. I remember reading the posts on the other forum and the information presented here clearly explains what the BTS are all about and how the membership money is spent. I for one consider the membership a bargain and am happy to support an organisation that is extremely valuable to the hobby. The annual exhibition is a highlight of my year and I am determined to attend the lectures one year - the 10 year anniversary sounds like a good enough reason! Keep up the good work - there are many of us who really appreciate all that you do for the society and the hobby.
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            • #36
              Hi
              Anything new on this?
              thanks

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Damien View Post
                Hi
                Anything new on this?
                thanks

                Damien
                I am sure when Ray and indeed Peter find the time to add more information they will.
                for now, all that needed to be addressed was and has been covered.

                Both Ray and Peter have busy work loads and as with all the committee
                so in due course when time is available to them I am sure they will add more information.

                The original concept of this thread was to answer questions regarding the BTS and the way its run and to address misconceptions
                of how its perceived to be run.

                If there are any questions you personally feel have not been covered please feel free to list them here.
                Better still why not attend the BTS AGM, and ask the questions in person. However you do have to be a member to attend the AGM

                I am pretty sure your are not currently a paid up member

                regards
                The Admin
                Last edited by Ray Hale; 24-10-11, 04:27 PM.

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                • #38
                  Actually I have managed to write a few more bits and pieces on the subject and will be posting them very soon. If anyone does have a specific question then please feel free to PM me and I will answer them on this thread. Please dont post them on the thread and expect me to answer them immediatley as this will merely throw the thread off topic.

                  Ray
                  British Tarantula Society - Join today safe and secure online

                  [B]
                  The 29th BTS Annual Exhibition
                  On
                  [B]Sunday 18th May 2014[B]

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                  • #39
                    Hi
                    Sure I know they/you and everyone else is/are busy which is why I waited a month before I asked.
                    And you are right I am not a paid up member yet as I want to find out about what I would be joining first.
                    Ray I will ask any other questions I have at the end like it was first requested in post two.

                    thanks

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Damien View Post
                      And you are right I am not a paid up member yet as I want to find out about what I would be joining first.
                      Hardly a big decision here Damien if you don't mind me saying. To be honest you will never know whether or not it's worth joining the BTS until you actually do it and see. It's only £15.00. The best thing to do would be to join for a year and see how it goes. If you don't think it's good value for money then don't renew.

                      Worst case senario is: You lose £15.00

                      Jamie
                      Last edited by Jamie Cooper; 25-10-11, 05:28 PM. Reason: spelling
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                      • #41
                        well maybe I don't want to spend 15 pounds of my hard earned cash on a whim and would just like to find out more about something before I join it.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Damien View Post
                          well maybe I don't want to spend 15 pounds of my hard earned cash on a whim and would just like to find out more about something before I join it.
                          Well I would hardly call it a whim. You joined the BTS Forum in 2003 according to your Profile. I think 8 years is long enough to make a fair assessment. I'm really not sure why your making such a big deal out of this, just loosen the purse strings and enjoy yourself I joined 2 years ago and haven't regretted it. Like I said, worse case senario - you lose £15.00
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                          • #43
                            so because I joined a forum 8 years or so ago I now know enough about the bts? Well no I don't (see my post count for 8 years does it tell you anything?) which is why I am greatful (so far) for this thread and I hope to learn more about it.
                            I am also not sure why it is a big deal to you about me wanting to find out more about a society that I would be paying to join.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Damien View Post
                              so because I joined a forum 8 years or so ago I now know enough about the bts? Well no I don't (see my post count for 8 years does it tell you anything?) which is why I am greatful (so far) for this thread and I hope to learn more about it.
                              I am also not sure why it is a big deal to you about me wanting to find out more about a society that I would be paying to join.
                              What makes me laugh is that you don't mind being associated with the BTS by using their internet forum (for free) for the last 8 years, but won't pay the yearly membership fees. You've had 8 years to find out what it is you need to know plus pages and pages of information written by Ray Hale. What else do you need!? It strikes me that you are just a trouble maker with no intention of becoming a paying member and are only here to look for and cause problems.

                              It's not a big deal to me, but you have a real chip on your shoulder about something. If you are a true hobbyist you should support your local society. We would all be lost without the BTS. It's only £15.00, your not taking out a mortgage! If it's taken you 8 years to figure out whether or not you want to join the BTS and your still not sure, then my guess is it's not for you. You'll be missing out on some fantastic perks.

                              My apologies to the admin team for cluttering the thread, this will be my last post on the matter.

                              Jamie
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                              • #45
                                Dear All
                                It is quite clear this thread is going to drift of course, its unfortunate but thats the case.

                                So I have locked the thread, till Ray posts a bit more of his "about the BTS posts."

                                The society has covered a lot of the criticism placed upon it on other forums, in the above posts, and also give some very good insight to the day to day running
                                of the BTS, a society with over 27 years of helping bring forward knowledge and improve the hobby in general.

                                In the days before the net, there was only societies such as the this one and others. The internet could have finish such societies
                                however we chose to embrace it, and the BTS are still here, providing a backbone and cornerstone for the hobby, you can either enjoy
                                and embrace that or choose not to, the main thing is the choice is yours.

                                Really the question what we should be asking is what we/you can do for our society! as a member

                                A given society may be described as the sum total of such relationships among its constituent members.
                                If we fail on anything its that people perceive that those who run BTS are the society. This is not true its the whole, the membership that makes
                                a society, questions are there to asked and we as a society should answer them.

                                Sometimes questions are valid others are not, but they must be all addressed for the greater good and understanding.

                                So apologies to all, but this thread is closed till further notice.


                                regards
                                The Admin
                                Last edited by Mark Pennell; 26-10-11, 11:43 AM. Reason: none needed

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