Chicken spider?

[James Box]

i'd just stick with those names, even if they are a mouthful
at least people will know what you're on about!

[Taki Tsonis]

I'm still confused about something though. Is it wrong to call it Pamphobeteus platyomma, but fine too call it Pamphobeteus sp. 'Platyomma'?

[KJ Vezino]

i think the additional problem lies in the fact that alot of those scientific names are not confirmed!

Not sure what you mean by that, all those scientific names are in the World Spider Catalog. Isn't that confirmation enough?

I'm still confused about something though. Is it wrong to call it Pamphobeteus platyomma, but fine too call it Pamphobeteus sp. 'Platyomma'?

Well, also according to the World Spider catalog Pamphobeteus platyomma was a valid name, but it has now been synonymized with Vitalius wacketi.

[James Box]

Not sure what you mean by that, all those scientific names are in the World Spider Catalog. Isn't that confirmation enough?

Ray Gabriel has posted on this subject on the first page:

http://www.thebts.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=3248

in short, no. not while this genus is such a mystery, at any rate. the WSC itself will change as the taxonomy is cleared up for this genus, if i haven't completely misunderstand the purpose of the WSC, or Ray's comments on the above thread.

also, despite the American Arachnological society's efforts, there are no "official" common names, hence the inherent problem with using common names in the first place.

[Taki Tsonis]

Well, also according to the World Spider catalog Pamphobeteus platyomma was a valid name, but it has now been synonymized with Vitalius wacketi.

I saw that on the WSC, but I'm not familiar with how it works. So is my T officially a Vitalius wacketi? And if now classified by the WSC, what is it's common name? (not that I like working with common names, but that's what the dealers will often use).

[KJ Vezino]

After reading Ray's comments on the thread posted by James above, I'm more confused (aren't we all?).

Here's a quote from Eric Reynolds, which pretty much sums up your spider.

The spider you likely have, what we call Pamphobeteus sp. "platyomma" is a presumably undescribed species belonging to the genus Pamphobeteus.

This is NOT the spider that was described as P. platyomma and then transfered to Vitalius... that is not a valid name anymore anyway (Nomina dubia).

V. wacketi is a totally different spider and a valid species. It's likely not in the hobby.

So I guess Pamphobeteus sp. "platyomma", it is!

[Taki Tsonis]

Lol, okeedokee then!

[Ray Gabriel]

So I guess Pamphobeteus sp. "platyomma", it is!

NOOooooo "platyomma" is a DEAD name it is not valid anymore same as "bara" same as "leblondi, mammilatus," etc

it can be called Pamphobeteus sp.

Ray

[Taki Tsonis]

Ok thanks for clearing that up Ray.
Hey btw, I was officially the 10000th (I think!) viewer between the 2 chicken spider threads, does that still count for the free sling Craig??

[Taki Tsonis]

Sigh... the silence!

[Ray Gabriel]

Hi All

I spoke with Martin at the lectures, and guess what???

No specimens have arrived from Craig.

Craig,

Can you post some pics of your set up with these Chicken Spiders please, from a distance so we can see the whole enclosure, what it is supported on, the hood to hold the lights etc.

Ray

[Oli Dodds]

Good luck getting a reply from him Ray lol.
Like squeezing blood from a stone...
PS hope your moving to Panama AFTER the BTS in April??

[Taki Tsonis]

That is so annoying....

Just to inform everyone that I will be sending Martin a Male and Female Specimen on Monday which should also worm it's way to the Natural History Museum for formal identification, so fingers crossed, we might have a confirmed species by mid year.

Ray, Richard please consult with Martin on his findings next week.

All the very best

Craig Bellamy

What exactly did Martin have to say about that then Ray? Did they just not hook up or was he just let down?

[Colin D Wilson]

I spoke with Martin at the lectures, and guess what???

No specimens have arrived from Craig.

This seemed to be a topic of conversation at table 1 too Ray

Sat right in between Toran and Martin I was.....

[Ray Gabriel]

That is so annoying....

What exactly did Martin have to say about that then Ray? Did they just not hook up or was he just let down?

Cannot rember his exact words but the ones Craig said he would send Martin has not recieved.....................................

Ray